in fact, in an economy like today, it is bad to balance the budget. that's not an appropriate public goal. what we should be worrying about instead are jobs and wages, widening equality. what we need is growth. if we don't get that, all of this budget balancing nonsense is irrelevant. >> jared, there's some dispute, the ryan team seems to be back pedaling on the question of are the obama health care taxes really in their budget or not? they're definitely there when you look at the revenue assumptions that they have, they seem to be claiming that no, no, i think we would get rid of tanning salon tax also. >> i actually believe them on that. i believe that in repealing obama care, they're also not taking credit for the revenue from the obama care taxes, and let me get back to a point i made earlier. you see, they have to raise something like $7 trillion in revenue to offset their tax cuts. they can't do that. mathematically, it is impossible. if mitt romney couldn't make the math work, this math is twice as hard. so really interestingly this is a plan t